Advisor 3, Learner 3: Interview 2, Extract 4 (C3_A3_2_4)

A3: [telephone conversation] I’m in a meeting. I’ll call you back a little later.
C3: but please ok so you have < a text
A3: so there you go >
C3: with you um the tools so there you had your phone < for um
A3: yeah >
C3: to try to-
A3: a pen
C3: there you go < all right
A3: so > um so what text did I take um it’s not neutral um c-
C3: it’s d- it’s in your um
A3: exactly < so it’s
C3: speciality >
A3: exactly it’s really a < a text
C3: yes >
A3: a research text
C3: yeah
A3: well, because I was also itching to
C3: um
A3: to be able to, let’s say, um, take a closer look at it
C3: hum hum
A3: erm, I took a text from a erm, a colleague erm, whose work I’d known for a while but only had bits and pieces of and erm, I’d managed to get closer to erm, her work erm, because at one point I had erm, I had funding erm, I’d paid someone to do reading notes < on erm
C3: OK >
A3: on this thing, so the reading cards, um, I didn’t take them back but they’re interesting, well they’re done in French but I had asked for the precise passages
C3: hum hum

A3: and important opportune are um included in the text in English and so there you go so that’s what I’ll be able to use um so the idea here was um already to get into the text so perhaps I didn’t take the easiest one to look at closely um because um um at the level of a text um of research so we’re going to say directly on things here we’re on a text of reflection of thought < so um
C3: um >
A3: the person refers you to an image in particular about um Parcival um so um I think it’s um one in mythology or something like that that I need to look into a bit more um the myth of Parcival that I don’t really know um and so make a link between that and the rest and then c- c- c- Sisyphus
C3: Sisyphus
A3: ah I don’t know
C3: the myth of Sisyphus yeah
A3: but I don’t know it, so < euh
C3: yeah right > then there’s a strong reference to elements that you don’t know because they’re not elements < of your speciality
A3: yeah >
C3: directly < in fact that’s it so that’s why
A3: that’s it > that it’s a rather special text
C3: yes

A3: but well um I well I know how it works eh is that if we start with something like that it won’t last long because it’s just to give an image that we want to bring the reader to and then we go straight on to things that are which are interesting
C3: absolutely < yeah
A3: erm > I didn’t really have any problems with the summary erm there were just three terms that erm stood out because I had no idea erm it didn’t mean anything to me and erm on the other hand yeah I understood where they wanted to take us erm so it’s it’s it’s someone who did his thesis erm it’s erm psychologist1 who erm knows more about economics but who has also done other stuff in psycho-socio
C3: hum hum
A3: erm and so erm on cognitive approaches and so on and so erm this is her last doctoral student < and
C3: ok >
A3: she’s written a paper on this relationship with the exchanges they’ve had and she’s highlighted four important principles *** here we go
C3: do you know these < principles
A3: um I I > know I know the principles < um
C3: well >

A3: I’m interested to see how she approaches them and how she < justifies them
C3: ok > no but it’s good well so I think that really all the analysis that you’re giving me here um it’s very very good I’m going to help you on a few little points < that you’ve given me
A3: hum hum >
C3: given but I mean in another way um your way of understanding um what working in English might be like for you < your your analysis
A3: me me I >
C3: is is very good
A3: where I get my kicks is that I have an analysis of English.
C3: hum hum
A3: whereas before it was a bit silly and < nasty
C3: hum hum >
A3: and I can’t deal with stupid and nasty things
C3: but yes, of course [laughs] I understand, but so this choice of text is perfect because it’s your speciality, so you can rely on it < effectively
A3: um >
C3: on things that you know and if you tell me that there are only three words in a whole paragraph like that that bothered you, well, I think you can be a bit reassured about your ability to < understand
A3: so the > the thing behind it is that um sometimes I don’t have the I don’t have the word but I manage to find the meaning
C3: um

A3: so, um, that’s enough for me < I don’t need it
C3: absolutely >
A3: de après le le la l’autre difficulté que j’ai pointé euh c’est euh c’est les conjugaisons
C3: yes
A3: eh euh enfin les tournures là we we should seize +[lang=English] euh non
C3: yes ok when there are
A3: yeah, that’s it < that I’m I’m more
C3: things like that >
A3: too used to these things
C3: yeah
A3: erm so erm there’s a bit of s- there’s a bit of tense problems erm of conjugation erm if it stays in the present tense or erm in the present progressive tense if I’m not mistaken erm it’s more or less OK if it’s erm on other things erm there erm c- well I’ve got to get over it erm I’ve got to get over it there’s a bit of work to be done on that whatsoever
C3: there you go < so in fact you need
A3: to understand to > understand the structure of the thing